Frankie Boyle once made a joke about 100m sprint athletes that went along the lines of ‘I want the athletes to take drugs . . . who wants to see them shave off a hundredth of a second when you could see them run it in 3 seconds?’. It’s the closest thing I can think of that compares to Scottish Football League chief executive David Longmuir’s latest statement.
Ignoring the fact in the first place that Rangers (1872) are now dead, when referring to ‘Rangers’ league cup history, the only competition’s records relevant to Oldco’s history that are juried by the Scottish Football League, Longmuir said ‘We are very comfortable with the position we have adopted.’ The position they have adopted becoming clearer when he followed with ‘The history of Rangers is appropriately described on the SFL website.’
Now apart from the fact that The Rangers FC have won nothing to date bar a Ramsden Cup tie with Brechin and a league cup fixture against East Fife, and as such are wrongly listed to have won competitions as far back as 1894 whilst founded in 2012, The Rangers FC are described as having 6 league cups ‘won’ between 2001 and 2010, the period covering the ongoing EBT investigation.
In turn we can deduce that the SFL chief executive’s statement refers to the Oldco’s history in that period remaining in tact regardless of the outcome of the investigation. The man may as well have said ‘we accept cheating’.
I have an inkling to say let them have their Mickey Mouse cups, because meanwhile, the Scottish Football Association and Scottish Premier League are piecing together a document proposing the stripping of 5 league titles and 4 Scottish Cups from the aforementioned EBT period. Whilst this in it’s own would be of no benefit to Aberdeen, Celtic have already said they believe their use of an EBT for Juninho in season 2004/2005 did not comply with competition rules. Although Aberdeen finished 4th that season, revised results would bizarrely see the club finish 1st in Jimmy Calderwood’s first season in charge.
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What utter rubbish. Rangers Football CLUB is anything but dead,the club formed in 1872 still very much exists. Only the old operating company that ran the club will be wound up (thus far it hasn’t). Proof? How about the liquidators BDO themselves? http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18426943 “Malcolm Cohen and James Stephen from financial company BDO have been appointed as Joint Liquidators. “It’s important to understand that the appointment of liquidators will not mean the end of football at Ibrox – only the end of the company that ran the club,” said Cohen. How about Supreme High Court Judge Lord Glennie? http://www.scotcourt…2CSOH/%2095.html “This is a petition for judicial review by the Rangers Football Club plc, a company presently in administration. That company presently operates Rangers Football Club (to whom I shall refer as “Rangers”). And of course Rangers had the old membership transferred they did not get a brand new one,hence having to pay oldco debts and hence the threat to strip honours (how can you strip non existant honours?).And we have the case of Hibernian a club who vanished for an entire year but still display a SC they won prior to that date on all official websites..there is so much evidence to prove Rangers are the same club merely being run by a different company(their third btw).Rangers were formed in 1872..they did not incorporate under a company until 1899 having already won 4 major honours,so who won them,the club or the company which at that point never existed..this is the reason all Rangers honours are and will continue to be displayed on all official websites,the club itself remains. The jealousy shown by other smaller clubs is understandable but luckily no matter how often they try to peddle the “dead club” myth,no one who actually matters (SFA/SFL/SPL)will listen…one last piece of proof that Rangers honours remain intact. http://local.stv.tv/glasgow/105857-live-q-and-a-stv-fields-your-questions-on-what-happens-now-for-rangers/ [Comment From Guest Guest : ] What happens to the trophies won as Rangers FC, do they get transferred to the Newco?
STV Andy: If the SPL approve a transfer of share to admit a New Rangers then yes, the league titles would transfer over. The same applies to other trophies if the SFA membership is approved.
However, it is worth bearing in mind that the investigation into dual contracts is still ongoing and the SPL have said that stripping titles is a possible sanction.
[Comment From TheGreenMachine TheGreenMachine : ] STV Andy, I think you have that wrong…Once liquidated Rangers 1873 History ends…no transfer of honours….the newco is a newclub…and will have its own history.
STV Grant: TheGreenMachine, with respect, you are wrong. The viewpoint of the SPL is that all SPL history of Rangers would move to the new company. That is also similar for the Scottish FA, provided New Rangers were given the current club’s membership.
Which of course they have…Rangers FC still Scotland’s most successful club.
How do you propose a football club ‘dies’ then? Why can Rangers fans not wait for the first club to ‘go under’ if the club loses nothing but its debt, keeping all its history and trophies and continuing as if nothing happened, meanwhile ripping off hundreds (and hundreds) of small local businesses as you did.
However, you are correct. Rangers are still Scotland’s most successful club. The Rangers FC are Scotland’s least successful club.
I’ve totally overlooked how you racked up an unbelievable amount of debt to the point you could not pay it back, deliberately didn’t pay tax for a whole season and cheated on an astronomical scale for who only knows how many years.
Again you show your bias and lack of knowledge,thus far Rangers were guilty of witholding paye under Whyte,the ebt’s,dual contracts,so called big tax case,none has so far been proven,i believe in this democracy you are innocent until proven guilty? The Rangers (again you display your lack of knowledge because that was the actual name of the club formed in 1872)is STILL the most successful club side in Scotland..why not check out our new page on the OFFICIAL SFL website..http://www.scottishfootballleague.com/club/rangers/ founded 1872,all honours listed. And as to your ”
ripping off hundreds (and hundreds) of small local businesses” again total nonsense did you bother to read the list of creditors owed in the cva,certainly not hundreds and hundreds,and the majority of the debt owed to small business’s was actually paid by the RFFF..but dont let facts get in the way of some Rangers bashing. Also good to see Green today announce all
Scottish football debt and SFA fines have now been paid,only right,same club,so they pay the debt. The club is now being run by the Rangers Football Club Ltd,the old company that previously ran the club,The Rangers Football Club plc,will be investigated by BDO (see my link above). Interesting that today even the BBC have now recognised that it’s simply a new company (newco) running the original club..http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/19243568 “Charles Green claims debts to Scottish clubs incurred by the company that formerly ran Rangers have been settled. ” It may stick in some throats but the simple facts are Rangers are very much still here,and are still the proud holders of 115 major honours..forums or threads such as this are simply not being listened to now,no matter how often or how long you attempt to peddle the “dead club” myth..one final small point…Middlesbrough,Luton,Charlton,Fiorentine etc etc..all newco clubs,all with history very much intact,if you doubt me check the official websites,but people in Scotland somehow think and want Rangers to be treated differently..simply will not happen,instead of obsessing over a third division club(which in itself only further proves it’s very much the same club)fans of small clubs such as Aberdeen with very little history outside a few years under Ferguson would be better served concentrating on their own club and the one team division it currently plays in..btw i take it you convienently forgot Aberdeen escaped relegation not on merit but because other clubs stadia were not up to standard,integrity indeed!
I found an interesting little article that sums the whole thing up pretty neatly.
The case for Rangers History
http://forum.rangersmedia.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=223097
As to people somewhat sarcastically calling the club ” The Rangers” they may be unaware but in actual fact that is the correct and original name of the club.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/tcbuzz/3747237762/
http://www.sportspages.com/football/football_books/football_club_histories/eleven_great_years_the_rangers_1923_1934_x04053?search
So by all means continue to use that name,it’s the correct one!
It will be proven though. You?re not getting away with it this time and you know it! I don?t believe that you then linked me to the page on the SFL I just wrote about above!? The majority of debt was not paid by the RFFF because you weren?t able to once in administration, it?s not legal. Some what would be classified as ?donations? were made to the likes of Dunfermline. But not the face painting woman who was owed 40 quid. It?s also nice that all Scottish football debts have been paid, what about Rapid Vienna and co. who were owed millions, not paltry amounts that you owed to DUFC etc. You can peddle your own myth all you want, you know you let your club die by overspending (and cheating) for years. To save my own time, give this a swatch: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N01qCH8502Q. And given that you are, as we have now heard endlessly, someone with a wealth of knowledge, please explain the situation to us of how Aberdeen escaped relegation and make a fool of yourself once more. And well done on sidestepping my only questions from the last post.